Comments on: Sometimes a Great Notion

By: Jack

Jack — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:28:27 +0000

I was totally thinking Starbuck was the cylon, which is probably what they wanted us to think, until they did the Ellen reveal. I didn’t see that coming.

Made me start to wonder if Starbuck herself did some kind of time travel thing to get a new Viper and fly back to Galactica. I haven’t perfected my theory, but that was the only explanation I could think of.

RIP Dualla. Another thing I didn’t see coming, but sure enough, the clues are all there if you watch it again.

By: Jason

Jason — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:22:52 +0000

There's a theory out there that all humans are cylons descended from the 13th tribe, though that wouldn't make much sense with them being able to examine the human looking remains and determining that they were cylon.

By: GeekBoy

GeekBoy — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:04:59 +0000

Hm. As I understand the history of things, the Thirteenth Tribe started at the Colonies and moved away to eventually settle on Earth. Then the Final Five moved back to the Colonies after the destruction of Earth. So since human-looking Cylons presumably weren’t possible until after the Colonies created robot-looking Cylons, I’m not sure the chronology as it stands now supports a Final Five = Thirteenth Tribe scenario. Unless, as I’ve postulated in the past, there’s time travel and/or some kind of time loop involved.

I’m wondering if the Thirteenth Tribe were normal humans who traveled to Earth and created their own version of Cylons, parallel to what was being created by the Colonies. This would explain why the First Seven and the Final Five seem to be different from each other. Maybe the Final Five instigated the creation of Cylons in the Colonies after they came from Earth?

As for Starbuck, my assumption has been that she’s a half-Cylon, like Hera. Her mother was held prisoner by Cylons during the First War. But I’m not clear on why that would give her the ability to be dead but not dead.

By: Greater Czarina

Greater Czarina — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:42:56 +0000

So, it seemed to me that the thirteenth tribe is/was the Final Five. That they created the regeneration ship, uploaded themselves upon death, and flew off to either found the Colonies or to blend in with the already-existing human race they found in the Colonies.

As for Starbuck, I’m thinking that she’s a different “race” of Cylon, the ones who were the other side of the war that obliterated Earth. And that they are still around Earth somewhere with their own regeneration abilities, which they used to recycle her and her Viper.

All speculation on my part, but that’s where I’m at right now. And I agree, it was an outstanding episode. Just the background players sitting around or going about their tasks looking so defeated and hopeless – brilliant imagery.

By: Jason

Jason — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:22:25 +0000

This was such a bleak episode. I’m not sure what I was expecting after waiting so long, but this definitely was not it. And that’s what makes this show so damn good. What the hell is Starbuck? Did Cylons come back to the 12 colonies to create other Cylons?

Also, wondering if any of you have seen the Face of the Enemy webisodes?

By: sandra

sandra — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:21:21 +0000

I just want to know who/what Starbuck is. The fact that Leobon was so obviously freaked out by the fact that this wasn’t something he expected freaked ME out.

When we found out that the 5th was Ellen I was a little underwhelmed, but the fact that she said essentially, it’s ok, this is all part of the plan, that’s what got me.

By: Jason Toney

Jason Toney — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:42:00 +0000

I thought it was quite the amazing episode. It’s not like the show shies away from despair but all the scenes in this one were especially terrible.

The most brilliant bit of work for me — besides the finest acting Kandyse McClure has ever given in her role as Dualla — was the scene right before her suicide when she and Lee are recounting his speech to the fleet. To show the speech would’ve showcased a hero moment and changed the tone of the episode but to give us this intimate retelling? It’s enough to know that we’re going to get past this but not enough to make us feel really good.

One of the best acted episodes ever of the series. And that’s saying a lot.

By: GeekBoy

GeekBoy — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:33:41 +0000

So how did that story go again? Some foxes are being chased by hounds. They reach a river. Half of the foxes swim across to the other side and escape. The other half are afraid to swim, and get killed by the hounds. And one gets halfway across, stops, floats out to the sea, and presumably drowns. Something like that. So yeah, that ties into the river theme in both the song and the novel. When Tigh first started walking out into the ocean, it seemed like they were making us think he might drown himself.