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		<title>By: GeekBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, I guess this might just be artistic prejudice on my part.  I can deal with a purely non-God explanation, and I can deal with a vague &quot;possibly God&quot; explanation ... but I don&#039;t feel comfortable with a fully God explanation.  Or at least not for this particular series, for some reason.  For instance, I remember not having a problem with the God explanation at the end of &quot;Quantum Leap&quot; for some reason -- possibly because with that show, there was always a clear through-line of morality and a higher purpose.  But the morality on BSG was so messy that I don&#039;t get the point of having God be responsible for everything that happened.  His (God&#039;s) influence was just so random and arbitrary, with no real through-line.

Greater Czarina brings up Greek Gods, and I can definitely see a comparison with the old Greek Tragedies, in which the fickle gods would just randomly screw with the lives of humans because they were bored.  But those plays were written in the context of the people reading/watching them actually believing in those gods.  And you usually got to see the gods themselves explaining their actions to each other.  But all we got was a little chatter in the final episode between Head Six and Head Baltar, which just wasn&#039;t enough for me to buy the overall premise.

It felt tacked on, and left me wondering what Moore&#039;s point was except, &quot;Don&#039;t build robots that are too smart.  Although if you do, then you should know that a robot-human hybrid will be better than a sum of its parts.  So wait ... maybe you SHOULD build smart robots.  Except ... oh I don&#039;t know ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I guess this might just be artistic prejudice on my part.  I can deal with a purely non-God explanation, and I can deal with a vague &#8220;possibly God&#8221; explanation &#8230; but I don&#8217;t feel comfortable with a fully God explanation.  Or at least not for this particular series, for some reason.  For instance, I remember not having a problem with the God explanation at the end of &#8220;Quantum Leap&#8221; for some reason &#8212; possibly because with that show, there was always a clear through-line of morality and a higher purpose.  But the morality on BSG was so messy that I don&#8217;t get the point of having God be responsible for everything that happened.  His (God&#8217;s) influence was just so random and arbitrary, with no real through-line.</p>
<p>Greater Czarina brings up Greek Gods, and I can definitely see a comparison with the old Greek Tragedies, in which the fickle gods would just randomly screw with the lives of humans because they were bored.  But those plays were written in the context of the people reading/watching them actually believing in those gods.  And you usually got to see the gods themselves explaining their actions to each other.  But all we got was a little chatter in the final episode between Head Six and Head Baltar, which just wasn&#8217;t enough for me to buy the overall premise.</p>
<p>It felt tacked on, and left me wondering what Moore&#8217;s point was except, &#8220;Don&#8217;t build robots that are too smart.  Although if you do, then you should know that a robot-human hybrid will be better than a sum of its parts.  So wait &#8230; maybe you SHOULD build smart robots.  Except &#8230; oh I don&#8217;t know &#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And remember ... the current &quot;Terminator: Sarah Conner Chronicles&quot; is showing how humanity is once again creating artificial life/Cylons that will destroy us. All this has happened before, all this will happen again .... &quot;Terminator&quot; is just &quot;BSG: The Next Generation&quot;!!  The Geek-verse is colliding with itself!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And remember &#8230; the current &#8220;Terminator: Sarah Conner Chronicles&#8221; is showing how humanity is once again creating artificial life/Cylons that will destroy us. All this has happened before, all this will happen again &#8230;. &#8220;Terminator&#8221; is just &#8220;BSG: The Next Generation&#8221;!!  The Geek-verse is colliding with itself!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it! BSG has always kind of been the anti-Trek since Starbuck decked Tigh during the poker game in the miniseries (a shocking lack of discipline - did anyone actually get transferred off the Enterprise for insubordination?)

Actually, how meta a moment would it have been if, at the end, Head Six and Head Baltar were joined by Q at the end. The geekverse would just implode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it! BSG has always kind of been the anti-Trek since Starbuck decked Tigh during the poker game in the miniseries (a shocking lack of discipline &#8211; did anyone actually get transferred off the Enterprise for insubordination?)</p>
<p>Actually, how meta a moment would it have been if, at the end, Head Six and Head Baltar were joined by Q at the end. The geekverse would just implode.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wow ....
Just had a CAAA-RAZEY thought — Maybe the end of the series leaned so heavily on god and angels and higher powers because Ron Moore was trying to be UNLIKE Star Trek one last time!!!

Think about it — from the earliest days on the show Ron Moore would go on and on about how he had so many rules and restrictions to deal with when he worked on Star Trek. Things like you can&#039;t kill off characters, the stories have to hit the &quot;reset button&quot; every week so everyone is in the same seats by next episode, you can&#039;t have season-long story arcs, you can&#039;t break this or that Trek continuity rule, people in the military and Federation have certain codes of ethics and honor that can&#039;t be tampered with, etc etc etc.....

So when Ron Moore came to develop Battlestar Galactica, he pretty much went the opposite of the way he HAD to do Star Trek. He put in all of these plot and character elements that he always wanted to do on Star Trek but wasn&#039;t allowed to. 

And if there&#039;s one theme in Star Trek that&#039;s been there from the very first season of the original series, it&#039;s that a &quot;God&quot; is usually an alien or a super computer!! 

I&#039;m not as up on Trek cannon as I should be, but I can&#039;t think of a single episode where the Enterprise encountered some god-like power and it did NOT turn out to be some alien or technology that is SO advanced that it seems like divine power to the mere mortals of the crew. And they always imply that if Humanity can avoid destroying itself, maybe someday it will develop the same technology or evolution.

In fact, the Federation is so afraid of themselves appearing as &quot;gods&quot; to primitive planets that they developed the prime directive! 

Bottom line is that the message on Star Trek is that &quot;God = unexplained alien technology.&quot; 

So in a way, the final most definitive break that Ron Moore could make away from the shackles of Star Trek-esque thinking is to have the Battlestar Galactica universe actually be affected by real and genuine gods and angels.

OK ... let the debate begin!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wow &#8230;.<br />
Just had a CAAA-RAZEY thought — Maybe the end of the series leaned so heavily on god and angels and higher powers because Ron Moore was trying to be UNLIKE Star Trek one last time!!!</p>
<p>Think about it — from the earliest days on the show Ron Moore would go on and on about how he had so many rules and restrictions to deal with when he worked on Star Trek. Things like you can&#8217;t kill off characters, the stories have to hit the &#8220;reset button&#8221; every week so everyone is in the same seats by next episode, you can&#8217;t have season-long story arcs, you can&#8217;t break this or that Trek continuity rule, people in the military and Federation have certain codes of ethics and honor that can&#8217;t be tampered with, etc etc etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>So when Ron Moore came to develop Battlestar Galactica, he pretty much went the opposite of the way he HAD to do Star Trek. He put in all of these plot and character elements that he always wanted to do on Star Trek but wasn&#8217;t allowed to. </p>
<p>And if there&#8217;s one theme in Star Trek that&#8217;s been there from the very first season of the original series, it&#8217;s that a &#8220;God&#8221; is usually an alien or a super computer!! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not as up on Trek cannon as I should be, but I can&#8217;t think of a single episode where the Enterprise encountered some god-like power and it did NOT turn out to be some alien or technology that is SO advanced that it seems like divine power to the mere mortals of the crew. And they always imply that if Humanity can avoid destroying itself, maybe someday it will develop the same technology or evolution.</p>
<p>In fact, the Federation is so afraid of themselves appearing as &#8220;gods&#8221; to primitive planets that they developed the prime directive! </p>
<p>Bottom line is that the message on Star Trek is that &#8220;God = unexplained alien technology.&#8221; </p>
<p>So in a way, the final most definitive break that Ron Moore could make away from the shackles of Star Trek-esque thinking is to have the Battlestar Galactica universe actually be affected by real and genuine gods and angels.</p>
<p>OK &#8230; let the debate begin!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant &quot;omniscient, yet shockingly impotent God...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant &#8220;omniscient, yet shockingly impotent God&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, bullshit.  Like I said, I don&#039;t need EVERY question answered, but when so much time has been spent on foreshadowing Kara&#039;s role in this endgame or whatever, it&#039;s a cop out not to explain things a bit.  From way back when she was interrogating Leobon we&#039;ve been hearing about it.  Her entire life has been seemingly directed toward this purpose.  She&#039;s been drawing that verchacte spiral since childhood.  

Alright, whatever.  I think I&#039;m just so frustrated by the inanity of this omnipotent, yet shockingly impotent  God, that I can&#039;t get past it.  Kind of like in my everyday life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, bullshit.  Like I said, I don&#8217;t need EVERY question answered, but when so much time has been spent on foreshadowing Kara&#8217;s role in this endgame or whatever, it&#8217;s a cop out not to explain things a bit.  From way back when she was interrogating Leobon we&#8217;ve been hearing about it.  Her entire life has been seemingly directed toward this purpose.  She&#8217;s been drawing that verchacte spiral since childhood.  </p>
<p>Alright, whatever.  I think I&#8217;m just so frustrated by the inanity of this omnipotent, yet shockingly impotent  God, that I can&#8217;t get past it.  Kind of like in my everyday life.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This response from Ron Moore just annoyed me all over again ...

http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/battlestars-ronald-d-moor-1.php

&lt;b&gt;Speaking of that bird, you just know the fans are going to have a field day debating the fate of Kara, who seemed to have become an angel. People will ask why, for example, if an angel saw its dead body, it would react as strongly as Kara did when she came across her corpse in the Viper. How will you explain that away to fans who didn&#039;t see it coming or might take issue with it?&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Ron Moore:&lt;/b&gt;  I don&#039;t know that I will. We made a conscious decision to say, &quot;We&#039;re going to leave this opaque.&quot; You can certainly say that she&#039;s an angel or a demon or some other form of life. We know from the show that she died a mortal death, she was brought back to life in some way, and then she fulfilled a certain destiny and guided them all to Earth. What does that mean? And who is she really? It was a conscious creative decision to say, &quot;This is as much as we&#039;re going to tell you, and she&#039;s connected to some greater truth.&quot; The more we try to answer what that greater truth is, the less interesting it becomes, and we just decided to leave it more of a mystery. I am sure that there will be a cadre of people who are angry that they never got a more definitive answer, but we just decided not to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This response from Ron Moore just annoyed me all over again &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/battlestars-ronald-d-moor-1.php" rel="nofollow">http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/b.....moor-1.php</a></p>
<p><b>Speaking of that bird, you just know the fans are going to have a field day debating the fate of Kara, who seemed to have become an angel. People will ask why, for example, if an angel saw its dead body, it would react as strongly as Kara did when she came across her corpse in the Viper. How will you explain that away to fans who didn&#8217;t see it coming or might take issue with it?</b></p>
<p><b>Ron Moore:</b>  I don&#8217;t know that I will. We made a conscious decision to say, &#8220;We&#8217;re going to leave this opaque.&#8221; You can certainly say that she&#8217;s an angel or a demon or some other form of life. We know from the show that she died a mortal death, she was brought back to life in some way, and then she fulfilled a certain destiny and guided them all to Earth. What does that mean? And who is she really? It was a conscious creative decision to say, &#8220;This is as much as we&#8217;re going to tell you, and she&#8217;s connected to some greater truth.&#8221; The more we try to answer what that greater truth is, the less interesting it becomes, and we just decided to leave it more of a mystery. I am sure that there will be a cadre of people who are angry that they never got a more definitive answer, but we just decided not to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what was the point of the Opera House visions, then?  Where did they come from?  God(s)?  To what end?  This is what&#039;s going to happen?  It&#039;s all predestined?  Or THIS is one spot where you can make a difference?  Only you can&#039;t.  

And I thought Kara was supposed to be the harbinger of doom?  Or posthumous Savior, apparently.

So her purpose, even before the destruction of the 12 colonies, was to find a new place for humanity.  Ummm, how about you nut up, God(s) and take a few stronger steps to stop that?  Just dumb.  

I know the point is supposed to be we&#039;re lab rats in this grand experimental maze, destined to repeat it until we get it right.  Or something.

All that said, I LOVE the ride, and I&#039;m really glad some people found the end satisfying.  I&#039;m sure my anti-God bias hurt my chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what was the point of the Opera House visions, then?  Where did they come from?  God(s)?  To what end?  This is what&#8217;s going to happen?  It&#8217;s all predestined?  Or THIS is one spot where you can make a difference?  Only you can&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>And I thought Kara was supposed to be the harbinger of doom?  Or posthumous Savior, apparently.</p>
<p>So her purpose, even before the destruction of the 12 colonies, was to find a new place for humanity.  Ummm, how about you nut up, God(s) and take a few stronger steps to stop that?  Just dumb.  </p>
<p>I know the point is supposed to be we&#8217;re lab rats in this grand experimental maze, destined to repeat it until we get it right.  Or something.</p>
<p>All that said, I LOVE the ride, and I&#8217;m really glad some people found the end satisfying.  I&#8217;m sure my anti-God bias hurt my chances.</p>
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